. analyst are saying jeb bush's donors are in full panic mode. apparently he called his two biggest donors and said calm down mom and said. >> if you find a democrat that's for spending more than $10, i'll give them a warm kiss. why does it have to be warm? >> don't worry, jeb, it's almost over. >> here's bernie sanders as dock brown. paul ryan is going as eddie monster and jeb bush is going as former presidential candidate jeb bush.

>> i don't believe them. >> that's cold. >> it's freezing. >> so cold you're having to wear that purple thing. >> okay, i won't. >> good morning, happy friday. >> it is friday. tomorrow's halloween. are the kids excited? >> very excited. we got a sumo wrestler and a green m and m in our house. what are your kids? >> katy is being a football player and yak the old try and true ninja. >> not ninja turtle. new cartoon network. >> there are actually 13 people out there our age that know exactly. i'm right there with you.

with us this morning we have eugene robin son and washington anchor. good to have you both. >> mika, so much what happens in presidential politics, you have dorks and dweebs that are really smart and went the really good schools and they're trying to figure out why one candidate is losing. why sometimes the smart guys, smart women don't make it and others that have a gut instinct get it and win it. i always said when i campaigned, before the candidates said the first word, you walked in the room and looked around and said yeah, it's my crowd. what's up, y'all? how y'all doing? great. while the others are coming in like this, willie, you talked about a clip that i think kind

of shows this, exactly what's happening in the republican party. >> it's a contrast between jeb bush and there was a fundraiser in georgetown in washington last night for jeb bush, a meeting, and his brother was there. george w. bush walked out of the home in georgetown, tmz cameras caught up with the former presidential. >> thank you. >> like everyone else, what is it? >> please, sir, it's a multipresident photo. >> i work on capitol hill because of you, sir. thank you very much. >> stay here. >> mr. president, thank you so much, sir. god bless you, sir. god bless you. >> mr. president, your thoughts

on kanye west running for president one day. >> i use to work at the white house. >> you think he has a chance in 2020? >> thank you. >> thank you mr. president. don't put that on ebay. >> i won't, sir. >> you may not have loved him as a president but that's a different style than generally speaking. >> again, i say it, the perfect example is allegory, you know. goes over to him stiff in the middle of the debate and turns and looks at him like this and everybody in america is sitting there laughing. so much of this has to do with again. >> swagger. i don't know. >> swagger, personality. we had everybody in the media worship bill bradley for decades. he got out on the campaign trail and just couldn't carry it off. there's a lot of smart talented

people that can and cannot carry it off. a lot of people saying jeb bush can't carry it off. you can't compare him to mccain. i said it yesterday. mccain is a mean, mean man in all the right ways. he's a fighter in all the right ways. like john mccain, he didn't have a lot of other cool things to do. john mccain, this is what he did. he was in public service his whole life. he was going to fight like held until the end. >> he definitely is not using the senate to run for president. he went right back to work finding other ways to fight. >> and a lot of people didn't like it but he went back and fought like held for what he believed and you got to respect a guy like that. same thing with bob dole. he lost but at the same time, he was there because he loved it and you know, gene robinson, you

look at some of these candidates and again, i know you disagreed with george w. bush 99% of the time. i've said it repeatedly, i think donald trump would have had his hands full with george w. bush from the first second bush stepped on the stage. >> absolutely. back in 2000 i was editor of the style section. i said our great fashion reporter out on to the campaign trail and this is when everybody in the corridor knew that gore was going to wipe the floor with george w. bush, this guy from texas and she came back and she said you know, i think this guy bush is going to win. i said why? she said he's got that something, he's got that swagger. he's got something that gore doesn't have and sure enough he

did. >> he cut her to little pieces. again, it's just so much of it may not have to do with intellectual fire power. so much of it was coming from the gut and that applies to ben carson, donald trump and bernie sanders today. >> i wonder if it's not something about being easy with who you are. george bush is somebody not easy in his own skin. i felt the same traveling with barack obama back in 2008. this was somebody who knew who he was. he was one of the most comfortable with their own

president. i thought that about george bush, you get that sense about clinton and barack obama. >> to be president you have to run for president. george bush doesn't want to run for president. he would love to be president. >> it's the same thing. when you're up on the stage, that's the biggest stage for people that love the game have heard the story millions of times. joe montana 96 yards to go. a minute and a half and everybody in the huddle scared to death. montana runs out on the field and shaking. this is the biggest game in the world and biggest game ever. montana looks back and says hey, it's john candy. everybody in the huddle is like

oh my god, he's not nervous. he knows he's going to win. we're going to win. they have a 92 scoring yard to win the super bowl. >> this all goes to gut. politics is so much gut. >> his argument still is i'm not a talker, i'm a doer. i was a good governor, successful governor, good record as a conservative. he doesn't get the part there's a performance aspect to us, style aspect. his entire argument is i'll fix it, i'll do it. >> you have a great record, that's great. you got to be able to communicate it effectively. nine past the hour. let's give people new national poling which shows a two person race at the top of the g.o.p.

field. a roiters -- a reuters ipsos pole has donald trump at 29%. ben carson 27%. bush and rubio come in a distant third and fourth. jeb bush sought to reassure supporters and donors his campaign for president remains a strong one but a slew of negative headlines in the wake of wednesday night's debate meant bush was forced to answer questions out on the trail yesterday. questions like this one. >> the headlines say your campaign is on life support. >> it's not on life support. we have the most money, greatest organization. we're fine. there's eight more debates and ample time to do what kacandidas do. memo is clear, life is good.

>> bush reportedly acknowledged his debate performance needs improvements telling them quote i realize i need to get better. political correspondent casey, you caught up with him last night. >> hey guys, you were talking about what it's like to be losing on the campaign trail. no one likes losing. mccain didn't like losing. i didn't like coming back to the senate after he lost. jeb bush doesn't like this position either i asked him how kbaktly he plans to make himself a better candidate. >> we got eight more debates and i'm going to have to do what other candidates do which is

rudely erupt and not answer the questions that are asked. had lots of fun. >> no, i'm serious. jeb is for people that know him well, he's not mr. warm and fuzzy. >> he can have fun with the fact he's not having fun. i like that answer a lot. that is like the chinese wall thing. >> joe is right. this is jeb bush's sense of humor. this is the darkest version of

it. people in the room in houston over the weekend talk about cutting them up together. they were fighting over whether or not his mother was a good cook and i think that the difference is between the two were on display. this comes up in the town halls. he talked about the fantasy football question he was asked during the debate and he said literally it's like, he rolled his eyes at the crowd. i can't say i've seen many politicians roll their eyes in an attempt to explain to the audience how they feel about a question. >> i can understand his frustration. >> yeah.

>>. >> he was the best leader in a major office i've ever seen. not a close second. i say that of a guy. jeb taught me that you don't have to necessarily, as i say to everybody, ted cruz, i love his honesty. everybody else wanted to die virtual for a second and go back to jeb. maybe he'll want to have a beer with me. that was a great moment. jeb is a cranky guy at times. he's a walk. he's in books.

he may not be able to get there because he may not be able to do what he can on the campaign trail. >> he's really frustrated by the fact he's not able to pull it off. you were talking about how he was in florida. one thing that's interesting is he brought up his loss in 94. what he learned from losing is you can't be a scary conservative. he ran far to the right in 94. 1 1998 he softened the image up. learning about the policy initiativ initiatives, that's the lessons he's bringing to the campaign. the lessons he remembers if you're too scared you lose. that's kind of the opposite of what the republican primary

elect elector is looking for. he seems frustrated by the chance he would have to change and mold himself to that. >> as you look at the pole we put up, it was taken before the debate. >> up through the last night of the debate, the 20th. it was taken through the night of the debate. >> it will be interesting to see if given the reaction the pole numbers change. jeb was right near the top of the pact that's way beneath ben carson and donald trump. 20 points back. if you're jeb bush and the numbers stay somewhere in the neighborhood and within the margin of error, why would you get out of the race? why get out?

if you're those three candidates and don't jump up, what do you do? >> set my hair on fire. >> the poles will really be telling. i would expect it. i actually expect donald trump to be in first, ben carson in second and marco rubio to make a big jump. i expect ted cruz to make a big jump too. we've been talking about how to media are all trump deniers. they had a screaming banner up 10 minutes.

can donald trump come back and go get ahead of ben carson or something like that? can trump get in first place again? there's been a thousand poles over the past 100 days. there's a cbs pole that come out that had him behind by two points and literally the media there on cnbc was ben carson is now the leader. another pole came out that had trump up by five or six points. i don't think people should be shocked if trump is in first place again but there is no doubt, i think we all have to admit there's a built in bias for donald trump's collapse and there has been. >> people don't believe their eyes. they don't believe the numbers. donald trump has been around in basically first place since july and so one pole that shows carson ahead and everybody says oh, well, it's over. it's over.

trump can't come back. he'll lose interest. he'll forget about the presidential race, whatever. it's just silly. >> again, we need to see marco rubio and ted cruz. let's see the jumps. it will be fascinating. they'll probably jump the national poles. that's going to be telling. i always love talking to my friends across the world. you don't have to actually interact with me day in and day out. >> yeah. >> they actually like you, joe. >> it makes it hard in my case i found in particular.

don't want to talk about isis but what the hell is going on in your country? their minds are blown by trump and carson. >> it reminds me a little bit of the sarah palin time. >> that's the state of donald trump for us. >> wow, it's fantastic. >> why do good girls like bad boys? >> exactly.

>> richard haas went around around these were high level meetings and he said he couldn't get through a single meeting because everybody's like trump, tell us about trump. >> think about the dinner at the white house, trump, trump, truch. >> casey, thank you so much. still ahead on morning joe, chris christie turns a strong debate performance. new york times tells him it's time. >> did you see this? they have been so shamefully bias on this whole bridge thing and now he has a great debate performance and what do they say? >> get out of the race, pal. >> we need to talk -- for a minute. mayor bill de blasio joins us and he has a big announcement and we'll find out whether the mets can turn things around as well. and speaking of the world series, mike is coming back.

cranky pants. >> he wasn't cranky last night. >> he was nice. >> do you think he's turned the corner? >> he was joyful. >> he was. we love mike. >> he was trying to prove me wrong. >> plus tom and from the freedom house caucus, congressman matt. why he voted for ryan as speaker when some of his colleagues didn't. >> i vote for him. >> i dominate the primaries. >> he has his costume up. >> you have the most fabulous campaig campaigns. >> we'll work on that. the storm with torrential rain is going to cause problems. looking at san antonio. flash flood warning with thunderstorms over the last couple of hours and the actual forecast map keeps the heavy

rain in texas through oklahoma. let's go through the halloween forecast. as we go through the next 24-48 hours, the storm system in texas will be slowly shifting. that will make its way to louisiana with heavier rain amounts. the pacific northwest not pretty seattle to portland. that's the areas you have to deal with bad rainfall. as far as halloween is going to go, halloween night especially, that's what we're going to be watching. then northward chicago to st. louis, around the memphis area a little bit of rain for trick or treating. this is halloween evening and pacific northwest. saturday night into sunday morning we shift the clocks. the rain will be in the southeast. the bottom line, today oklahoma and texas the worst weather and saturday pushing into the louisiana and light rain to chicago.

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it is 26 past the hour on this friday. they're discussing ways to alter what's been regarded as a dysfunctional debate process. the rmc not invited. political reports that top aids to at least half a dozen of candidates have been discussing amongst themselves how the debate should be structured. the site reports the weekend gathering should be organized. here's carson talking about his disappointment with the debates yesterday in colorado. >> i asked my staff to reach out to the other campaigns to talk about a change in format. specific things we're looking for are first of all, moderators

interested in actually getting the facts and got cha questions and we're looking for an opportunity to explain what your program is, what your fe loss if i for leadership is and be questioned about it. >> yeah, i'm totally with him there. >> the moderators, again, we don't need to name their names anymore. we've named them enough here. over the course of all the debates, other than anderson cooper and the democratic debate, they tried to make it about themselves. if i were a candidate, i got to say it. the opening question where you

had a reporter talking about your policies that suck so bad you have just as much chance of flapping your wings and flying off like a bird, it sets the tone for the whole debate. it's like these people are trying to be stars or something. >> if i can add. >> why would a candidate put up with that? >> you have to treat the front runner like the front runner and if you have some opinion about that front runner, ask the front runner questions that are legitimate journalistic questions about the policy. the truth will come out. instead, what we saw happen several times now in several debates is a narrative about the immediamedia being either not f bias, or grubby and kind of like not interested in the right

things. >> they're making about themselves not the candidates. >> from the point of view of someone moderating these debates, you don't want people to say the day after you can just throw softballs at them. you want to be tough and hold them accountable. that said you have so many candidates and moderators there's just a weird randomness to all these debates. i don't know how fantasy football gambling got in there. off the wall question to ask.

what's interesting to me is ben carson is showing leadership which is interesting. >> ben carson and donald trump have been trying to say back off, we have got to do this right and willie, before we go to the next story, it seems to me the process itself and some of the problems that the moderators have had have played into a narrative that there's bias and i don't think this is true but that everybody asking all the questions and all these debates would never vote in a republican primary. we can't have moderators you don't feel a sense of balance. >> listen, if that were the test, we would never have any of the other debates again. i'm not being a jerk. you know like 90% of the people in our business vote for democrats and democratic primaries. >> there should be more of an effort to have respect. >> and there is. i never once said, talking about

anders anderson, i've never seen him at tea party meetings but anderson played it straight and gjim war played it straight. i'm afraid this is the prime time cable news culture sneaking into our debates. this is not something we've had a problem with in the past. >> it can be done. anderson cooper and jake as well. they didn't bring that to the table. they asked direct questions and were well prepared for follow up. in anderson's case you only had five people on the stage and it's easier to control that. >> remember, we have jake. that's a perfect example.

i'm going to assume he's a democrat. i assume anybody in media other than me is a democrat. jake plays it straight. he does not make it about himself. i've never seen him make it about himself. it's like brian williams. brian did debates with tim. straight down the middle. he's a big democrat. big liberal. you know what, that kind of made him even tougher on democrats because tim always wanted to be extra fair. >> richard haas when he was tweeting out yesterday morning was right. this was meant to be a debate about the economy and the t.t.p. never came up once. that was the problem with the

debate. they could have had a really good discussion about some of the most critical issues facing american voters and didn't get to them. at least with the democrat's debate, i felt it was an extensive debate. >> what about the debt ceiling? ben carson, nobody asked ben carson why he didn't think the debt ceiling should be raised. you're not going to ask that question. >> that's the news of the day. >> maybe ben has a good answer to that if you ask me. i would say no, i wouldn't raise the debt ceiling until you did one, two, three, four. >> i think the biggest thing failing the moderators, candidate complain they've been asked got cha questions when they've been asked tough questions. we should watch for some of the bashing of the media but the failure in the debate was not getting to the substancive

issues. >> martha burke. >> and hoodie. >> governor chris christie was greeted from the new york times with calls to resign from the campaign anyway. the new york times editorial. >> what the hell. >> it's that time when candidates lacking money are starting to go back to their plows. chris christie should join them. while he talks tough to empty rooms, trenton is running on autopilot. they stated the george

washington bridge scandal. >> are you serious? >> still on that one. >> and they referred to his low pole numbers. governor christie responded on twitter writing i can't read the article because i don't have a subscription but i can tell you this, i'm not going anywhere. >> what is the deal? >> drop out. >> at some point. >> they need to have a meeting with people there. >> come upg, you don't have to be an economist. just back from china where the slowing economy is triggering a historic change in the decades old one child policy. that conversation and the must read opinion pages are next on morning joe. to this world ugly and messy.

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up next is russia. >> you roll down the window and they throw it. >> up next is russia. a u.s. diplomat says they're rethinking its war in syria. >> yeah because half their planes are broke and their military sucks. >> last night i heard the news from washington. the russians escaped while we weren't watching them. now we got all that room. we've even got the moon.

>> nbcs simmons is back from russia. that's next on morning joe.

it is 44 past the hour. joining us now, the director of the earth, columbia university economist doctor jeffrey sacks and nbc news correspondent. >> he lives. he's real. i can touch him. >> i thought he was only spoke on camera.

>> china, things are getting so bad they're letting parents have two babies instead of one. explain that to us. >> well, they did have a huge population issue. 40 years ago they said we can't continue to have this massive extensive population. >> stabilization of the population said okay, we have done what we were out to do which was not to reach 2 billion, 3 billion people. >> jeffrey, i've been saying for five years, everybody said china is going to take us over and

have 10% profit. it's a bubble. >> china's still is economy over the next 30 years, right. >> china is the same size as the u.s. economy. there's four times more people. per person there's much more core than the average american. this is a huge, huge economy. it's a huge power in the world and it's not going away. >> it's just slowed down. they've e mernled and while you're emerging you have faster growth but eventually it levels out, right. >> right. they haven't levelled out. we're growing it to 1.5% according to the last quarter, they're growing at near 7%. >> about 3.5 then.

>> a little more than that. >> putin a fascinating character. fascinating in the worst term. but they've got a possibly -- here. half of their planes don't fly. you're starting to see iranians and russians getting shot at out there. >> it's the same lesson americans in the west learn.

>> i had an interesting conversation with one russian politician who said we completely support the moves in syria because you have an ocean between you and isis. we are hundreds of miles away from isis. >> frankly, there is no solution without russia, united states, iran, saudi arabia, turkey actually agreeing on something. so the idea which the u.s. has pursued we're going to over throw isad and that's going to be asolution has turned out to be a complete disaster.

>> we'll choose the government, russia said no thank you. that's our allie and in the meantime, there's been chaos that's been the result of this. >> is the u.n. capable of doing that though? do they know what the held they're doing? what's their job if it's not going to stop this? >> in this case the u.n. means the security counsel and the security counsel means russia and the united states agreeing on the strategy. to my mind we're getting closer to realizing that's the way we have to go. >> and secretary kerry, a

visceral description of trying to. >> your conversations you were having in russia, you mentioned there was some public dissatisfaction be the way the campaign has been carried out. do you see any chance of the russian public starting to put pressure on president putin to

restrain action, to limit action in syria or not? you wouldn't go that far? >> the answer is no now. despite the economy and all that, nothing's changing. everyone's against us. therefore, we'll support our leader more. the economy damages putin. being no doubt, it is very, very difficult there. putin himself will know he needs to be watching that. >> jeffrey, let's talk about this debt deal. it's one of my great irritants. when you have a deal like this, oh people in washington are being responsible. actually, no, they're not. the debt is going to go up a couple trillion dollars.

$80 billion more in spending. they busted the spending caps. it's a cheap way of having to make a difficult decision. here we are. >> this is just to say we're not going to do much on anything until the next demonstration. >> the debt keeps going up. they don't touch entitlement reform. >> these actually were small adjustments compared to an $18 trillion economy. what they're saying is let's put aside big issues, this is the end of the administration. we'll have a new president and we'll talk about new things

afterwards. in the meantime, we're not going to go to some artificially made crisis. >> coming up, bill de blasio is here. we're going to ask him about the race. plus big apple politics and on tuesday, we're going to have to first ever joint interview with charles and david coke. it's part of a special edition of morning joe. we'll be live from wichita state university. one year out from the 2016 presidential election. we'll be right back with much more morning joe. ♪

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two. >> that is really funny. this is going to be it. >> so reuters, before we give you the numbers, this goes through the night of the debate. the last night they were in the film was the night of the debate. >> the new national poling shows a two person race at the top of the field. donald trump and ben carson in a statistical tie for first place. trump is at 29%. carson is inside the margin of error 27%. jeb bush and marco rubio come in a distant third and fourth place. >> let's talk about not in the field joining the debate but we're going to see these numbers change and i'll say it. you and mika and i and willie and people around the table are some of the only ones who say donald trump had a shot several

months ago. why don't you tell us what needs to happen to those numbers for the candidates. >> you have to move up in the first -- marco rubio and ted cruz who everybody thought had the best debate, do they move up in state poles? coming up, there's a lot of state poles. let's see what happens. trump and carson still have more than half the vote and they're both doing pretty well. they both had descent debates. i don't think they're going to lose any supporters off the debate. i'm a lonely voice is saying i don't count jeb bush out. there's four established candidates now and none of them are dominating. marco rubio, if the e welcolect made up of democrats, marco

would be the next president of the united states. that's not significant. he'll raise money off the col n columnist. some think i have something against marco. i don't. i have a problem with barack obama doing what he did and i think a lot of his problems is because he got elected and immediately started running for president. marco rubio to me, he's barack obama. in fact, the guy actually bragged that barack obama missed votes with him. i'm kind of with you. that is what state does marco win. take that. maybe he said the right pund nts and democrats. maybe they'll influence enough conservatives to help marco. it does come down to marco, ted

cruz and possibly chris christie for the establishment. >> take john kasich out. >> i don't think john's out. >> of the four established candidates, two of them are performing well. i don't think kasich is performing as well as he needs to. >> he changed his tone. he is angry.

christie needs a new projecture. rubio doesn't except he needs to voters to like him as much as the pund nts. >> if marco doesn't jump in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. >> he's really organized in iowa. is marco? >> no, he's not organized in any of the states. iowa is one that matters the most. >> what about new hampshire? >> he's better than iowa but no. that's part of why he struggles to win in earlier states. >> what about ted cruz, does he

have organization in iowa and new hampshire? >> he is the only one with the money and momentum and plan to get delegates into march particularly in the southern states and the territories. ted cruz's team has money and a sense of this is a delegate fight. >> it is hard to find people, hard to find a movement and people who are excited about the notion of look at the last three guys that won. all three of them when they ran people saw their narrative, excitement, possibility.

>> what about donald trump, how organized is he? >> these national poles mean nothing right now. >> if you bring 10,000, 15,000 people in in any of these states, you'll win. >> what's interesting is a couple of days ago you had a cbs pole. steve pointed out that 80 percent of ben carson's people said we can change candidates. we're not sure who we're voting for. 65% of donald trump's people said we will never change. i just wonder if the media narrative is wrong and you've got it backwards. people are just using donald

trump as an outlet and going to move on. i don't think that's the truth. i think right now, it's ben carson who gets the numbers where the people are wondering around and right now, he's the none of the above candidate. >> if donald trump holds those numbers which it appears he can. i think you have to take him seriously. he's been ahead for so long. too, the field remains crowded. >> second, jeb bush has to pay attention and be nice to carson. three, if you're chris christie, john kasich, marco rubio, you want to do the same things. you want to figure out how you have a breakout moment in the coming weeks. >> it's interesting. i was talking about anderson last night. can donald trump over take ben

carson when trump's won a thousand poles and carson won one. they also had a focus group. it group. it's interesting. all the media is talking about rubio and ted cruz. all they're talking about is ben carson and donald trump. carson lost a few of his supporters to donald trump in this focus group. >> on the debate? >> yeah. by the way, that's another thing too. i'm sorry. i got marco, again, it's not personal. i'm tired of hearing democratindemocrats and media people tell me how great marco is. it reminds me of john mccain. i get sick and tired of reading new york times editorials talking about how great john mccain was and i just felt like after what i was saying, thank you very much, we republicans will take care of our own

primary. you have a huge media narrative and focus groups talking about ben carson and donald trump. >> he had a good night. go to south carolina, domd trump is dominate. we're in our first three states. if they don't do well, they don't have to win but if they don't do well and are getting whipped, they're going to be gone. the national poles are nice. let's look at those states. you still have two guys dominating. >> i agree. >> last night donald trump spoke to another packed room. this one in sparks nevada and took on everything from the president's policy to losing american jobs over seas to his fellow republican candidates. >> so who saw the debate last

night? great book. and who won the debate? we did well. remember what i said about rubio. everyone said you're wrong. i get no credit for this stuff. i said they don't like each other. last night the heat came out. i told you a lot of anger, hatred between those. here i am exposing yourself on television and fully with those guys and no respect. you have to say you do respect them. >> with the highest tax country in the world and that's why, today it was announced i just had it here.

who knows? maybe it's a rumor. i don't think it's a rumor. rumors turn out to be true. they never turn out to be true. women, do they ever turn out to be true? never right. never. israel is safe with this one. safe. they don't know what happened. they have a president who they actually think obama hates israel. i think he does.

this pack is so big for israel, so dangerous, we'll save, i think israel honestly, i think israel is in a massive amount of trouble because of the agreement. i'm so glad you mentioned that. nothing, nothing bad is going to happen to israel. >> they would go over and make their legal home. >> yeah. >> that's true. >> gene, help us with your friend. tell us what happened there. by the way, did you see that room just packed with people? >> did you see the room? the energy and excitement. we showed jeb's wake in new hampshire and then i'm not being

mean. i'm telling the truth. >> those people are with them. look back at the reuter's pole. you got 56% for trump or carson. they ain't coming back across. that's the big question. >> i think that is a big question. the question is how does marco,

how does ted, i think ted can do it to marco. how do they convert and i wonder, have you noticed, is there a ceiling for marco because he's seen as a guy who supported amnesty and then he backed off of it. there's a lot of flip flopping going on with him. is that one of the reasons marco's not jumping in iowa or the early states or can we see the massive jump after the debate. >> we can still see a jump. i'm open to it. he doesn't have a natural -- in the party. we're getting to a face. do you take on trump or carson? in a normal race if the front runners are people more easily attacked, you would be strategizing. >> somebody around this table,

one example of where attacking donald trump or ben carson has helped anybody. it always seems to blow up in their face and they always end up getting out of the race. >> well, it would be interesting to see what happens with the moment when donald trump attacked ben carson. i think the only thing the second tier candidates can do is try to be top of the second tier and hope that something happens in iowa or new hampshire maybe by south carolina when it starts getting too late that makes people think that donald trump and ben carson are not viable presidential candidates in the general. it's hard to see how that plays out. one of the interesting numbers out of iowa is in that kind of weird cocktail party formula that you have. how low donald trump ranks on

second tier voting and if john kasich doesn't get their -- they're not going to donald truch. does that suggest he's reached a ceiling in iowa? i don't know. i don't know what mark thinks, how that plays out. >> if it weren't trump and carson, all we would be talking about trump verses carson, which would win? the winner of the second tier fight will be the nominee, i don't think that's a tro jekt ri we're honoring now. rubio, you know, is currently the hot candidate. does he have the assets to take down trump and carson and pass them in the early states? >> i don't see it now. >> aren't people thinking about who could win the general? they're not. >> poles suggest they think trump can win the general. >> everybody's thinking trump

can win. republicans think trump is the likely one to win. they've talked about this. the night that ronald reagan won in 1980, they had a massive celebration in the white house because they had a bumpkin too stupid to be president. >> this is an indication of why donald trump is defying the rules. you can point to three or four issues. health ca

heal health. >> next on morning joe, new york city mayor bill de blasio joins the table. he has a big announcement about the 2016 presidential race plus we'll try and find out how to mets are going to come back from two games down in the world series. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back.

joining us the democrat ek mayor of new york city, bill de blasio. >> what's going on with the mets? let america down. >> joe, know your history. 1986 the mets were down two games and came back the win. >> you can bring up anything but 1986, okay. >> you know who i am. i can bring that up. i can bring up that history, joe, i can look it in the eyes. >> remember the lady behind home

plate? the mets are going to come back. >> the mets are going to come back. this is a team of destiny. you got to believe young pitching, great balanced team now in our own coliseum. watch out. >> we're coming at you from a million fferent directions this morning, cops. how is your relationship with the cops? they were talking about your bad relationship with the cops talking about the past and your campaign and some things said in the past.

the -- >> i think to we to bring the police and communities together. they serve the communities well. gun arrest up 7%. >> do you, they want to know that you understand they feel like they're undersieged and can't go out and do their job without 20 people with camera phones a lot of them shouting. >> a way to show that is through action, not just words. we support our cops. we're providing new technology and have cops in that help identify where shootings are. >> i'm asking do you understand why they feel like they are undersieged? >> absolutely. i'm saying the bottom line here is not just to say we support our police, we do. not just to say we need to bring police and community together. to back it up. >> let's break something else down. crime, new york city, just to numbers. give us the numbers straight. is crime down in new york city? >> yes, down 3% overall major

crimes. shootings are down compared to last year. it's fundamental process. >> and homicides. >> homicides are up. up about 20 homicides at this point. what's the percent panel? >> it's 5%. >> look, every, that's a problem around the country. last year, i'm proud to say we had the lowest number of homicides. i take every single one of these situations personally. i have to. the commissioner goes over the numbers daily. we're making progress, he's doing a great job and we have 1,300 more cops added to the force next year. >> to national politics, we understand you have an announcement. >> i do. >> okay. >> in this country over the last year a lot has changed. >> we have to look at the election a year ago. we wouldn't talk about the tax and wealthy verses now. it really has con sal dated views and speaking forcefully on the issues.

the candidate whom i believe can fundamentally address the equality effective live canada has the right vision and experience to get the job done is hillary clinton. i've seen her vision and platform develop over five months and extremely pleased with what she's put on the table and has a history of fighting issues. >> you say it's developed. has she gotten more sensitive to the plight of the poor? because the knock has been just like chuck shumer. if you're a senator from new york like chuck or hillary, a lot of people on wall street say you got to protect us. do you think hillary has evolved a bit in her thinking on income and equality over the past five months? >> i think what's missing here in this discussion is who hillary has been? when she was working on the children's defense fund working on behalf of kids especially poor kids, when she took on the health insurance companies in 93

and 94 which if you'll remember was an intense struggle, she's up against a lot of power and money and stood her ground, that's the hillary clinton i know. i give her tremendous ability to fight on the issues. >> you have said though over the past five months, she has evolved. her position on income and equality has developed. how has it developed? >> it's the important thing. i think this is happening in the entire democratic party. we have to see the whole party. the beauty of the democratic party moment verses the other party is democrats are challenging each other on positions and in general agree on an economic platform. republicans sadly and i think they should get away from this are comparing body parts and pole numbers.

so i think what has happened here as you've seen with each successive speech, hillary has filled in the blanks forcefully and not just on economics on things like mass incarceration. voting rights, constitutional amendment. this is a very full sm progressive. >> i agree with you about looking at who she has been all along. do you think the problem with seeing that though has been partially her responsibility as well. >> when she first ran for senate, when she speaks from her experience and the changes we need, there is a powerful vision

and authenticity there. i think what happened fairly at the beginning of the campaign a lot of candidates said look, we're going to do this in stages. i think it's very fair for people all over this country to say wait, we need to see a vision for the times we're going to achieve. the american and middle class is in crisis and been stuck. >> why do they take so long to see a message? >> i think it's fair for any candidate to have to lay it out. the demand that's obvious is candidates have to put the pieces on the table. >> you and i may disagree on a lot of issues and i think we agree on a lot of issues but i at least know where you're coming from. you're not a guy that goes out there, neither am i, that's going to support keystone one day and oppose it the next, that's going to say ttp is a gold standard one day and a couple years later go no, it's

deeply flawed. you have to be a bit concerned. >> he wouldn't do it. you have to be concerned. >> you're asking the question the wrong way. the question is what you stand for. >> no. >> no, i'm saying this from the heart. what does she stand for? >> it took some real courage to come out and say this is my standard that's going to protect american workers and this package doesn't do it. >> but it was the gold standard. >> she said very is clearly that here is the standard to protect american workers and when she saw the product and the position is clear. >> no excuse you. they like to run it and you know. >> if a candidate. >> mr. mayor, i'm trying to complement you.

not flip flop like this. you don't flip flop like this. are you concerned she's going to be too expedient? >> no. we're missing the forest for the trees. >> i saw her take on the health insurance companies for one year. that's who she is. we saw it with our own eyes. the nation was rivoted by it. this is what we have to understand. there's a lot of spying there, steel there, we saw that during all the hours of the benghazi. this is a very sharp progressive platform. i believe she will follow through on it. she has the ability to fool through on it. >> she definitely has the

object. >> a lot of people that support bernie sanders say bill de blasio is more in line with my views than bernie sanders. look into camera three. >> where's camera three? >> say i'm supporting hillary clinton. >> i'm supporting hillary clinton -- i'm endorsing, i'm supporting hillary clinton enthusiastically because we have to take on income and equality. it's the issue of our time. we have to restore the middle class and hillary clinton knows how to do it and will get it done and has a progressive platform to speaks to the changes we need. >> it didn't explain why she would be better than bernie sanders when many of his views on health care, trade, income,

equality, minimum wage are closer to yours than hers. >> it's complete. it touches also the reality of grace in our reality. >> she has the capacity. everyone's agreeing she has the capacity to be a great president. the question is who has the combination of ability and to get things done. >> let's strip it down for people. you think she is more capable of actually executing? >> i think she's the most executing. >> other than of course jim web. >> isn't that how we weigh

candidates. >> wait, wait, wait. >> he has to explain ben carson. >> he's going to explain ben carson in a second. >> the ability to execute is what distinguishes her. >> i would say first it's not she came in with the sharp policies with aggressive

taxation and things like pre-k and college debt and et cetera. she's also willing to say there's a problem in this country and we have to look that in the face and et cetera. we've never had a president, someone who came into office more experienced than hillary clinton. she knows how to build across the world. >> are you going to campaign for her across the country? >> absolutely. >> explain ben carson to us. >> i think this is going to be a very competitive race. i don't think anyone should assume the democratic primary or republican primary, anything is going to get settled in the near term. there's a lot to play out. i think ben carson should not be

underestimated. i get very worried as a democrat when we under estimate anyone. ben carson is an impressive human being. let's face it, it's an accomplished man. his calm demeanor is something people appreciate in a time of a con ten, moment. i think they will ultimately disqualify. don't go to sleep on someone whose accomplished. >> and winning in the poles. >> and finally, answer this question. >> you said it even better a few minutes ago. i think it's important you say what is it that distinguishes him and allows him to confound pund nts and the political? >> he's the ultimate outsider. here's he's an accomplished guy in the medical field that did something not politics and washington. people shouldn't forget the public is being logical and like something that's different from what they see in washington.

>> i see the poles in the last 24 hours talk about approval ratings being 41, 42, 43% and it's dipped down low. first of all, when you look at numbers like that, obviously, it concerns anybody in public office. what do you do to turn that around? what do you think right now is causing that drag? >> look, i think people have gone through a tough time economically and 46% of new yorkers are at or near the poverty level. >> i saw 42%. the acute pole has 45, 46. >> things are going up even during the show. >> you just picked up and the numbers are going like a tell thon. >> it's the morning show bump. >> oh, you dgot it. >> morning joe bump. >> thank you for being with us. >> economic times tough for new york city. >> absolutely. new york city is booming and i'm thrilled to say 177,000 new jobs, i'm proud of that.

let's face it, over the last decade, people have been hurting. i think they want to see a lot more progress before they gain the confidence again. >> mayor, i'm compelled. >> let's go mets. >> let's go mets. >> thank you for the city bike rest. >> staying healthy. >> this man personally but a city bike rack in there. >> we will be right back with much more morning joe. can a business have a mind?

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process. these debates have been jokes. >> we need to think this thing through. first of all, there's too many people on the stage. secondly, it's a big game of got cha both on the stage and too many moderators up there. i would break it up into segments in which we're going to do just foreign policy and we're going to encourage you, marco rubio to defend your plan against donald trump. >> by the way, give us details on how you're going to change the military in this country so they can be more effective against isis. we went in there with the best military in the world and let the stage take over in terms of a real dialogue. moderators are leike children. >> that's not happening. it seems like whether you talk about the first fox debate or the first question of the cnbc debate, the moderators make it all about themselves. >> from the jump the other

night. the whole philosophy and tom knows this, it's not any one network. it's all of them now. it would be like i'm trying to get you and harold to have a fight and right before. >> which is easy to do. >> did you hear what joe said about you and it lets you inhale the fight and it's become the whole philosophy. it looks like short track skating in the olympics. there's no dignity to this process and most of these moderators, they're not asking a question that's going to get us an answer that's going to make us more important on whose president. they're looking to get their response. it's sad, it really is. >> i think the bigger danger is it could ultimately feed into this anti media where the media is bias. >> they don't have to feed into it. the fact is it's fixed and the republican candidates know that. they played that card the other night in the debate and they got

a huge response. >> i thought a lot of times, don, and i say this as a republican, a lot of times it's a cheap shot. when ted cruz was able to tip d first ten minutes the gotcha questions, and the first time, i said, wow, ted cruz may have had the moment of the night. and that is it, they fed into it. >> and chris christie. >> and what about the format? >> well, i would have fewer candidates on the stage. they have to tighten it out there, and too many on the fringes or half and half, and split it by the issues. >> that is not going to get ratings, tom. >> isn't that the problem. >> these days any time donald trump shows up, they will get ratings are regardless of the format, and we have learned that. and for example the chattering class, and we are part of the chattering class had the winners and the losers, and they did not

include trump and carson and who is two day later in the bottom, marco rubio and ted cruz. >> and mike lupica, it may change in the coming days, but we talked about this off camera, it is stun, stunning how the chattering classes and the elites and the editorial boards all continue to insist that donald trump is a flash in the pan, and he is going away. or i will say ben carson and i i will say i don't get it, but i will tell you that ben carson is not going away any time soon. >> and look at how he commands the stage. it is not on if you agree with him on this or that, and you are waiting for debates, and you are waiting for him to talk the again, and tom is right, we have to figure out how to make the stage smaller. i was thinking the other night, we should use the slaughter rule from little league baseball. if you can't poll better than this at this, and mike huckabee, you are a nice guy and you are

not going to get the nomination, so you are out. and rand paul, you are out. and what is doing by carly fiorina that is scaring hillary clint clinton? they established a arbitrary number. >> and the mayor was on to try to explain carson and explain carson, because you have not seen the presidential contests, and you have seen different personalities and agendas and platform, and how is ben carson rising, i understand trump a little bit, but carson confounds people? >> well, they are impressed with his e credentials and he is one of the great neurosurgeons in the world, and he is soft spoken and not bombastic and he says things that are provocative, obviously, and the day i called in to say, that it was the site of the reagan debate, and i was in a car in montana, and the driver who i have used a lot in

the past, and i said, who do you like? and he said, i like dr. carson, he is smart guy and thoughtful and that is the first time that i heard somebody kind of articulate that the. and that is the feeling on that, and there is a huge feeling they don't want one of othese guys who has been around. and john kasich, great record and twice elected in congress, and marco rubio nice strong young man, and nothing wrong recently, and they are having a difficult time, because the attitude of the country is that i want somebody in from somewhere else with a fresh point of view. and if i may, this is another thing, a social media kicks in immediately after a debate like this. and our friend richard harwood had some tough instances, but he asked the right question about the tax plan of rubio, the upper class will do much better than the middle, and social media took that, and sid that the upper class is going to be doing better than the lower class in

rubio's tax plan, and the upper class is going to have a advantage. and he getting called on the social media. >> and john harwood. >> oh, no, his father, that is how old i am. and he called him a dim witted hack, and that what we don't respond to as much as we should. it is a different universe. >> and they are yelling that we need a break, but i want to talk to you about the mets tonight. what are you looking about tonight? >> we will find out tonight if they lost the world series in ninth inning of game one, because you can't win a world series in game one, but i have seen a whole bunch, going back to kirk gibson that you can lose in game one. >> i hope you are wrong, but you could be right. >> go mets.

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cartoon network thing. >> and full one. >> and yes, i will be a heavy garment on. they have 13 people out there with kids our age who know exactly. >> and how many donald trump do we have. and with us now we have award winning pulitzer prize winning columnist, and also joining us is a bbc anchor. >> mika, educate me. you have presidential politics like dorks and dweebs who are really smart and went to really good schools. >> yeah. >> they are trying to the figure out why one candidate is winning and one is losing, and why the smart guy and smart women don't make it, and other people, they

have a gut instinct, they get it, and they win it. >> yeah. >> i always said when i campaigned before the candidates said the first word you walk into the room, and you just looked around and you go, yeah, that is my crown, and what's up? come on in. and the others are walking in like this. and so, willie, you showed us a clip that is exactly what is happening with the republican party. >> well, it is a contrast of jeb bush stiff on the stage and uncomfortable and a fund-raiser in georgetown last night for jeb bush, a meeting, and his brother george w. bush was there. >> oh. >> and as george w. bush walked out of the home in georgetown, tmz cameras caught up with the former president. >> hello, sir. >> everybody else. >> what is it? >> please, sir, it is a multi

president photo. >> stay here. stay here. >> yes, of course. >> please, can you tell me because i used to work at the white house. >> mr. president, that thank you so much, sir. >> thank you, paul. >> god bless you, sir. >> good. last thing i want to the say -- >> will you sign this? >> you have 25 pictures in this. >> i have 25 pictures. >> no. >> mr. president, your thoughts on kayne west running for president? >> i used to workt ta whi at th house. >> you ti that he has a chance? >> don't put that on the ebay. >> i won't, sir. >> now, you may not have loved him as president, but that is a different style. >> and i say it the perfect example is al gore. you know. goes over to him, and stiff in the middle of the debate, and just turns and looks at him like this, and everybody in america

is laughing, because it is so much of this has to do with t the -- >> swagger? >> well, personality. we had everybody in the media absolutely worship bill bradley for decades. bill bradley, he got out on the campaign trail, and he couldn't carry it off. it is either at lot of smart talented people who can or cannot carry it off right now, and a lot of people are saying that jeb bush can't carry it off. we will see it though. because you can't compare him to mccain, because mccain is a mean, mean man in all of the right ways. he is a fighter in all of the right ways. like john mccain, he did haven't a lot of otherle cool things to do. john mccain. and this is what he did. he was in public service his entire life, and he was going to fight like hell to the end.

>> he did not use the senate to run for president, because he went right back. >> and that is right, and he found other ways to fight like hell to lead. and like bob dole, he lost but at the same time, he was there because he loved it. >> yeah. >> and you know, gene robinson, and as you look at some of the candidates, and again, you disag gr disagree with george bush 99% of the time. and i have said it on show repetedly -- repeatedly that george bush would have had trouble with donald trump from the moment he stepped on the stage. >> yes, and i sent our fashion reporter robert gabon out on the campaign trail, and this is when

everybody on the acela corridor knew that gore would just mop the floor with everybody else. and so she came back and said, i think that bush is going to win. he has not that something, that swagger, and he's got something that gore doesn't have. and sure enough, he did. >> and you know, katty kay, in 1994, he debated a popular tough and mean and in all of the right ways texas governor named ann richards, and everybody expected him to be knocked off of the stage, and she ridiculed him and called him shrub, and he cut her to little pieces. again, it is just so much of it, it may not have to do with the intellectual firepower so much of it though coming from the gut, and that applies to ben

carson and donald trump and bernie sanders today. >> i wonder if it is not something about being easy with who you are. george bush is somebody who is incredibly easy in his own skin, and very sure of his own personality, and demeanor and i felt the same with barack obama traveling with him in 2008. it is somebody who knew who he was, and he just was one of the people i have met most and comfortable with their own presen presence. i felt that with george bush and you get the sense with bill clinton and barack obama. >> and bill clinton is a little too comfortable with himself, and everybody else. >> yes. >> and one thing, joe, to be president, you have not only want to be president, but you have to run for president, and i think that jeb bush does not re really want to run for president, but he wants to be president. >> and willie, a sports analogy, because it is the same thing, like when you were up on the presidential stage, and the biggest stage, and people that

loved the the game and they have heard the story a million times. joe montana, 96 yards to go, and he has 1:30, and never the huddle huddle is scared to death, and montana runs out on the field, and they are just shaking, because it is like the biggest game in the world, and the biggest game ever, and montana looks back, and he goes, hey, it's john candy. and everybody in the huddle is like, oh, my god, he is not nervous, and he knows that he is going to win. so we are going to win. and they went out, and they had over the next minute or so, the most incredible 90-something -- >> 92 i think it was. >> 92-yard scoring drive to win the super bowl. it is, and it all goes to gut. po politics is so much gut. >> well, it is interesting that the even yesterday after the debate performance jeb bush was up in portsmouth, new hampshire, and talking to the press, the argument is still that the i'm not a talker, because do-er.

i am a kconservative, and that - but he does not get that there is a style aspect to it, and his attitude is i will fix it and do it, but i am not as good as the rest of them to do it. >> and that is what we have to teach people, communicate it. and give the people the new national polling, and it is a two-person race at the top of the gop field. a roeuters/ipsos poll has donal trump and ben carson at a statistical tie. donald trump at 29%, and ben carson 27%, and marco rubio and ted cruz coming in behind jeb bush at 9%. and jeb bush says that his campaign is a strong o-- strongt

a slew of headlines meant that jeb bush was forced to answer questions like this. >> there are reports that your campaign is on life support. >> we are not on life support, and we are doing fine. look. eight more debates, and ample time to do what candidates do, and the end is not near. memo to file. all is good. >> and yet, bush acknowledged that his debate performance needs improvement and telling them quote, i realize they need to get better. joining us from man chchester, hampshire, joining us is kasie hunt. and kasie, you caught up with him last night? >> yes, you were talking about what is it like to be losing out there on the campaign trail, and nobody likes to lose, and mccain did not like losing. i did not like coming back to the senate after i lost, and it appears that jeb bush does not like that either. i have covered several of the town halls with him in new

hampshire, and this is one that he was struggling to get through a little bit. but i asked him how exact i he plans to make himself a better candidate. >> reporter: you told the donors today on the conference call that you will get better at this, and what are you going to be doing to get better at this? >> we have eight more debates, and so i will have to rudely interrupt, and not answer the questions that are asked, and the debate moderators will have to ask more substantive questions. >> reporter: are you having any fun? >> oh, yes, i am having fun. >> that is the smart ass jeb bush i know. no, i'm serious, jeb is for people who know him well, and he is not mr. warm and fuzzy. he is a -- the i mean. >> and he is not having fun, joe. >> no, he is not, but you know what, he can have fun with the

fact that he is not having fun. yeah, you saw it. >> and kasie -- >> that is like the chinese wall thing, yeah, they built a wall like a hundred years ago. >> i am missing the sarcasm there, because he looks absolutely miserable. >> and joe is right, this is his sense of humor, and the darkest version of it, i would say, because he -- >> his dark humor. >> and he is in a dark place, but he is sarcastic, and the difference between him and his brother george w. bush are stark. and when people were with them in the room, and they were with talking about how they were cutting it up together, but you could see how different it was, and they were fighting over whether or not his mother was a good cook. and george w. bush said, you are only saying that she was good, because you are running for office. and so it was up for display and he was talk thing about the fantasy football ke question ha he asked about and then he said

it is like, and he rolled the eyes at the crowd. not many politicians have rolled their eyes in an attempt to explain to the audience how they feel about a question. >> i mean, i can certainly understand his frustration. >> yeah. >> and i mean, you have said all along that he did a great job in florida. like he was one of the best leaders that you have seen. >> i have not said one of the -- he was the best leader in a major office that i have ever seen. and not a close second. and not a close -- and by the way, i say that the of a guy, kasie, that we were not buds. and like i would tell people that jeb taught many -- jeb taught me that you don't have to personally like somebody, because he is a cranky guy, and it is like ted cruz and i loved the honesty of ted cruz and everybody else, and i want to divert for a second and go bag to jeb, and what is the weakness, and well, my weakness is that perhaps i love jesus and my children too much.

i love ted cruz's honesty, and maybe you don't want to have a beer with me, and that is a great moment. and jeb, he is a cranky guy at times. he is a wonk, and he's in books, and a learned guy, kasie, and you know it. he is not like his brother, but the opposite of his brother. be but i don't know how you translate that on the campaign trail. if you want a great leader then elect jeb bush, but, he may not be able to get there, because he may not be able to do what you have to do and the campaign trail. >> that is frustration that you saw, because he wants to do it his way, and he is frustrated by the fact that he cannot pull it off. and the other thing, that you were talking about how he was in florida, and one thing in florida, he brought up the loss in 1994, and what he learned from losing is that you can't be a scary conservative, and he ran far to the right in 1994, and

then in 1998, he softened up the image. he talks about going to the homes for disabled people, and learning about those kinds of policy initiatives, and that is the lesson that he is bringing to the campaign, the lesson s that he remembers politically is if you are too scary, you will lose, and if you warm up a little bit you will win, and that is the opposite of the primary republican e electorate is looking for, and he is very frustrated by the fact that he would have to change and mold himself to that, instead of them coming to him, and saying, clearly, you are the guy who can take us all of the way to the white house, and anybody else on the stage may get the nomination, but they won't do anything gainsts hillary clinton. >> as you look at the poll taken before the debate. >> and up through the last night of the debate. and so it was taken through the night of the debate. >> it is going to the be interesting if given the reaction to the e e badebate, i be interesting if they change,

because jeb bush was right there below the top pack. and so you say that you are falling within 3% and if people are saying death watch, why would you get out? >> and also, marco rubio and ted cruz and chris christie which we all expect them to jump up significantly, and if you are those three kacandidates, and y don't jump up, you say, what do i have to do? set my hair on fire? and so the polls surely coming out for the sunday shows are going to be telling. i would expect it, and i mean, i actu actually expect donald trump to be in first and ben carson in second, and marco rubio to make a big jump, and cruz unexpected, but cruz to make a big jump, and so we are talking about, and we are talking about how the media, and trump deniers, and i am watching, and by the way, very complimentary of anderson

cooper, right? >> big fan. >> big fan and i love him, but the people who do the lower thirds on the show, outrageous. they had a segment last night, gene robinson, they still, and i mean, it is mind boggling, and you have to say that donald trump is right. they had a segment last night are where they had a screaming panter up ten minutes, can donald trump come back ahead of and come back and go ahead of ben carson or something like that, and can trump get in first place. and there are 1,000 polls, and there is a cbs poll that came out that had him behind for two point, and the media narrative including on cnbc is that ben carson is now the leader, and another poll came out that had trump up by five or six points, and i don't believe that people should be shocked if are trump is in first place again. but there is no doubt, and i

think that we have to admit that there is a built-in bias for donald trump's collapse. there has been. >> yeah, people don't believe their eyes. they don't believe the numbers. donald trump has been around in basically in first place since july? and so, you know, one poll that shows carson ahead, and everybody says, well, it is ove over. it is over. trump can't come back, and he is going to be losing interest and forget about the presidential race or whatever, but it is just si silly. it is silly. he's in a commanding position in this race. he will be there for the fore e foreseeable future. still ahead on "morning joe." >> hillary has the negotiating routes out of this thing, and finally the president is focused on it. maybe we will look back on it as one of the most important memos that we wrote, but it remains to be seen. that is all for tonight.

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dysfunctional ke debate process. the are rnc not invited. politico reports that top aides to half a dozen of the candidates have been discussing amongst themselves how the debate should be structured. the site says that the weekend gathering is organized by advisers of donald trump, ben car s carson, and bobby jindal, and lindsey graham. this is carson talking about the disappointment with the debates yesterday in colorado. >> i have asked my staff to reach out to the other campaigns to the talk about a change in the format. specific things that we are looking for are first of all mod ray or thes who are interested in actually getting the facts and not gotcha questions. and we are looking for an opportunity to actually be able to the explain what your program is, what your philosophy for leadership is, and then be questioned about it. >> yeah, man. i'm total ly with him there.

gene, these debates have been total jokes, and i hate to say that, but -- >> too many people. too many moderators sometimes added to too many candidates, and it is a mess. >> and the moderators, again, they don't, and we we don't need to name their names anymore, and we have name d them enough here but over the course of all of the debates other than anderson cooper and the democratic debate. >> was that him alone? that was good >> and they tried to make it about themselves, and if i wereer a candidate, and i have to sayt it, the opening question, the fox debate, and then the opening question in the cnbc debate, you know, where you had a reporter talking about your policies suck so bad that you are just as much chance of flapping your wings and flying off like a bird sets the tone of the whole debate, and it is like these people are trying to be stars or something -- >> and if i could add, gene. >> why would a candidate answer

that. >> well, you to treat the frontrunner as the frontrunner, and you have to ask the front run er legitimate journalistic questions about policy, and if your opinions are correct, the truth will come out, but instead, what we saw happen several times now in several debates is that the narrative about the media being either not fair, biased or grubby and kind of like not interested in the right things, and that all played to with be true. >> and the worst thing, gene, it is about themselves, and not the candidates. >> look, number one, it is a hard thing to do, and d -- >> oh, my gosh, yeah. we wouldn't know. >> and number two, are from the point of view, from the point of view of somebody moderating the debates, you don't want people to say after the day after, oh, well, he or she tossed the softballs at them, and so you

want to be tough and accountable, but that said, you are is so many candidates and so many moderators that there is just a weird randomness to all of the debates. so one person gets a substantive question, and somebody else is going to be getting a personality question, and somebody else gets something like off of the wall, and i d t don't know know how the fantasy football gambling got in there which is an off of the wall question to ask ask, and gave maybe jeb bush's best moment of the night. but it is weird. so something need s s to be don. and what is interesting to me about this, there is ben kcarso showing leadership which is really kind of interesting. >> and coming up on "morning joe" new speaker and new day in washington, and we are going talk about what the new speaker paul ryan going to have are to do to talk about consensus with the caucus. and also, fascinating new

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therefore, the honorable paul d. ryan are from the state of wisconsin having received a majority of the votes cast is duly elected as speaker of the house.

>> let's be frank, the house is broken. we are not solving problems. we are adding to the them. and i'm not interested in laying blame. we are not settling scores. we are wiping the slate clean. >> 34 past the hour, and we are on the air now. >> we are friends. >> yes, i can tell. >> and now, 30 years? >> yes, we have been friends for a long time. >> and are friends. >> for a very long time. >> and he is also one of the founding members of the house freedom caucus, and congressman matt salmons from arizona. and katty kay is back. >> and she is sort of the betsy ross of the freedom caucus, right, katty? >> well, we need a betsy ross. >> katty, i am just kidding.

would you like me to get a punch for that? >> yes. >> okay. >> was that fun, mika? >> and now, explaining the freedom caucus, and blah, plabl blah, and it is so many things, and they say things like, oh, joe, when you were, there you were conservative, and i am like, we make the freedom caucus look like a picnic. >> and they called us the 11 terrors, and the bad boy republicans. >> and the young jihadists, and like freedom caucus has a better ring to it. >> and certainly does. >> and so, listen, what i have said all along is that it is not really about ideology so much about that there is no regular order, and yet, you are marching over, and so many freedom caucus guys tell me what really bugged us the most is that we didn't know what was going to happen in negotiations with the president until we were walking over, and the reporters would say, hey, did you hear that john boehner,

and isn't that the bottom the line, top-down and not b bottom-up. >> it is about democracy, and every one of us have opinion elected to come back to washington, d.c., to the argue the things that our constituents want us to argue, and we are representatives. when you have one person who is making awe of the decisions with the staff, and the staff actually has more decision-making ability than a congressman does, that is a problem. that is a problem. >> and like paul ryan said something that is radical and it sou sounded so simple, but he said that we are going to actually let the committees draw up the bills. it does not happen. it has not happened in years. >> this is right. when boehner was speaker, he would jerk the bills out of the committee, and go into the room, and make a decision with the staff on what the bill would entail, and that not good policy. >> and when you have staff memb members more powerful than the powerful chairman. >> exact ri right. >> and when you have 45 -- and

you have heard the adage, two heads is better than one, and we can do better by the country than having one member of the staff, and it is a new day, and i am excited to get back to regular order. >> and paul ryan, and you and i, we disagree with paul ryan on a number of things. imfwragmigration, and he was fo bailout, and we were not, and he is for medicare part d, and we were against it. b but it is not ideology, but it is bottom-up governing. >> the guy that the freedom caucus endorsed when kevin mccarthy put his name -- >> daniel webster. >> and he has a 56% rating by heritage, and he was not a conservative guy either, but what he kept talking about is the pyramid of powers that the decisions are made at the top and jammed down everybody's throats, and i don't think that anybody, conservatives, liberals or anybody is served well, when

you have one guyic mag all of the decisions, because it is pot the way that our founding fathers set it up. >> and again, the staff members are more powerful that than 435 people. and by the i wa, this is not just a complaint of the freedom caucus, because, ben halperin, because they would say, it is just four leader that decide everything, mark halperin. >> and when everything is done ma in the senate, and marco rubio was asked about missing votes, i would have said, what does ut matter, they don't codo anything, because nothing gets off of the senate floor. >> and you would work for your money unlike marco. >> and i think that more legislation is going to be passing than under president obama, and so what can paul ryan do that is going to make it more likely for a republican to win

the presidency? >> well, he has to do it in tandem with where where the conference is. >> talking or putting the legislation on the president's desk? >> no, massive reform of the tax system. that is something that all americans are crying for the do ale withal withfare reform bill. to say what republicans would do if we repealed obama care, what would we replace it with? it is great to have some 40 or 50-some votes to repeel obamacare, but what do we replace it with? and to have a robust debate of what the republicans are for and not against. >> katty kay. >> yes, congressman, you are talking about optimistically about a new day, and a lot of the press coverage of how paul ryan is doing to is have a better time as opposed to john boehner, but nine members of the caucus voted against him which is wone quarter of the group, bt doesn't that cause him problem the fact that you are not fully united about him? >> well, what is interesting is

that after paul ryan gave the speech, i sat by a couple of people who actually voted for daniel webster, and they turned to me, and said that paul is the right guy, and we will support him 100%. i saw louie xwoe megohmert who a member of the freedom caucus who was grinning from ear to ear, and shaking his hand and the first guy to congratulate him. paul is sending the right messages to everybody, and in the spite of the fact that there were some that voted against him, i believe that there's going to be a real unifying house moving forward. >> and matt, explain, also, the thing about paul ryan, we may not agree with him 100%, the freedom caucus may not, but if paul ryan had come up to you and me while we were serving, this bill has a lot of bad things in it that is bad, but this is why

it works. and john boehner has been in the leadership's pocket the moment we came into congress. >> and one thing, we have iron-clad commitment from paul on is that he believes that the bills that come to the floor, should have a majority of the majority support. and the other thing, the hastert rule, and also he said, why do we have to precook everything. and put the bills on the floor that don't pass, and that maybe fail. and so let's let the good ideas bubble to the top, and have the robust clash of ideas, and let good things come to the top. i think that when you allow more people to be in the decision-making process, you are actually going to be more powerful. >> matt sam mob and congressman, thank you for coming in. and we will see that the on sunday, paul ryan going to be the guest and a conversation

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the first thing that he said to me is that i want you to learn nothing from me. he thought that the government was not very good at producing fresh ideas. >> he was brilliant and demanding and extremely loyal, and petulant, and it was all course -- true in the course of a day, and in the course of an hour. >> they wanted somebody to dive into the "mission impossible." >> the new hbo documentary of "the diplomat" traces the life and legacy of richard holbrooke who spent 50 years in american foreign poll i from vietnam to afghanistan, and now joining us is the film's director david holbrooke who happens to be be richard's son which in some ways so many revelations for you, as well as a journey documenting his life. >> on so many levels, and not only to understand the sweep of american history that he was involved in, but also the arc of

my family, and also my children. i mean, it was a multigenerational project. >> it debays on november 2nd on hbo. >> yes. >> and that is not just any day in history. >> no, november # 1st is the 20th anniversary of the start of the peace according that ended the balkan wars, and my father was the architect of it, and it is important to look back at the dayton peace accords and that war in the balkan, and it has been quiet, but there are concerns that conflict could erupt again. >> when you look at all of the accomplishments, and so many moments in history, and he how do you cover it all? how do you look at all of the highlights? >> well, it could have been a diplomatic trilogy. and so it is also about mixing my story into it, because it is a journey of sorts of understanding what he achieved and what he had done, because

you have him gone so long, and you have those people in government who have those positions in government who are drawn so powerfully. >> and you nknow what else i know? >> what is that? >> that these guys have e e egos. katty kay, can you jump in >> yes, my friend tom had a panel with you. >> yes. >> and it is one of the things how close he was with hillary clinton, and how close it was that she was in the room when he had the stroke, and it is that your dad and president obama ran into the no-drama issue, and expl explain that with the clintons and president obama. >> sure. my father, when i asked him about president obama, he would say, he is a cool customer, but my father was all heat and passion, and no drama obama, and my father loved broadway and kept every play bill that he

had, so he was complicated, but he and secretary clinton went back for several decades, and knew each other for a long time, and there was deep affection for the two, and she saved his job more than twice. it was a remarkable relationship. she says something in the film that is are revealing about her, and i think that the audiences that tune in will see a different hillary clinton that people know her better, but not the pub liblg. and one of the things that she says is that my father on that last day that he was upright, he had a bunch of meetings at the white house, and met with the pakistanis in the office, and she said this thing that is so beautiful, i shared the big chair for him. and it is a lovely touch that hillary clinton is think thing about my faer this, and his own comfort, and then tragically, he collapsed. >> what is the goal of the film? >> to understand him better, but there was that he had something more to the say, and i wanted my children to the know what he was about. and a big part of it was that i

wanted his story to inspire a new generation of diplomats. it is a hugely important job. people don't really understand it. i thought that the fim could do it, and from the screenings at festivals and all over the world, it is really happening. >> the hbo documentary film "the diplomat" debuting this monday, november 2nd. david holbrooke, thank you so much for coming on this e show. congratulations. >> thanks so much. >> and up next, what if anything did we learn today? ♪ hi, tom. how's the college visit? does it make the short list? yeah, i'm afraid so. it's okay.

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welcome back, kids. it is time to talk about what we learned. katty, what have you learned? >> i want to see that documentary "the diplomat" because richard holbrooke was known for single handedly going into the balkans to preserve that peace. and so as david said, he had a complicated are relationship with his dad, and it is something shakespearean about it. >> interesting. i learned that the debates are going to change, and change is on the way. and let's hope so. >> and let's hope so. >> i don't know how, but let's hope so. >> i agree with tom brokaw, i agree with less people on the stage, and go three hours, but 90 minutes with five and 90 minutes with another five, and five is a magic number, and if you are not at 5%, go home. >> that is what we have to do or something. and if it is way too early, what time is it, because it has been a long week. >> yes, it is time for us to

have a great weekend. "msnbc live" is up next. >> have a great weekend. >> and the roller coaster for who is ahead in the race to the white house. who is up? who is down. >> there are ample debates, and time for the candidates to do. and memo to file, life is good. he went on the attack to the one-time protege marco rubio, but it was a swing and miss. >> remember what i said about jeb and rubio, and everybody said, no, you are wrong, mr. trump, but i get no credit for this stuff. i said they don't like each other. >> and chris christie was greeted from "the new york times" with calls to resign. >> i advise you to go back to read my 11 hours of the testimony. i hope you enjoy it. >> jeb bush's donors are in full panic mode. yeah. apparently last night jeb bush called his two